The recent news is that Chelsea have had an offer turned down for Ashley Cole because it was too low. The offer is rumoured to be in the region of £16 million which is ridiculous, seeing as unproven English players can go for £21 million.
Now we all know Chelsea can afford this, we know, Chelsea know, but more importantly Arsenal know. To meet Arsenal's interpretation of Cole's value Chelsea are looking at in between £25-30 million, so why aren't they forking out?
Well you could tell something was up when Mourinho was saying a few days earlier how he was ready to look elsewhere and had the nerve to set a deadline for Arsenal, and now with deliberately undervalued offers Chelsea think they are turning the screw on Arsenal. When in reality they are not. The pressure is not on Arsenal to sell, we don't need the money desperately and there is a possibility Cole could even remain at the club, he's still got 2 years left on his contract.
What I think they are up to is simple. Chelsea do not want to give Arsenal some serious spending power in the form of £25 million+. That kind of money in Wenger's hands is worth at least double what it is to Chelsea...and they know it.
The thing is the pressure is not on Arsenal but Chelsea, Wenger has hinted that if things aren't sorted out by the home leg of the Champions league qualifier Cole will play and probably stay where he is.
Oh well there’s always Wayne Bridge ey?
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i agree but concerned to see wengers comments about potentially not signing anyone. another disaster of a summer really.
looks like reyes will go along with bergkamp, pires, campbell. the first eleven looks good but not much underneath. again wenger is leaving it too late to make transfer moves. we have missed out on many players, zokora, tour (off to monac), appiah (cup tied), davis, saviloa.
fuck them , they paid 17 million for a nigerian kid mid twenties for drogba,essien and SWP , Cole is the worlds best left back and a proven world class player , either give us 25 million or fuck off.
I agree with what you are saying to an extent but; do we want a player at our club that we know 100% doesn't want to be there?
We need at least 3/4 more players before we will be in good shape for the season + we should be buying Trabelsi .. instead he will go to Man City
I think in this situation there are only degrees of losing - Reyes is on his way out - we will lose money on him and it's a shame that he couldn't fulfill his potential.
We have to replace him (Ribery will be tricky now as Lyon have entered the fray).
We def need a quality defensive midfielder too - Flamini is not the man for that job at the moment.
I am not worried + but all this talk of players leaving weakens our position as a club people want to come to.
well said gooner, they should fuck off...
The rate at which you turn your assumptions and opinoions into fasts deserves applaud, outrageous as it it is. I think the GOONERS thought they could milk Chelsea off tens on millions of pounds and now they have been left with mud in their faces. I will not be surprized if they come back to Jose begging, or they will just put maybe about a million pounds on the price chelsea is offering to save face. I bet this season you guysd are eyeing for a Champions League slot for next season, especially considering you can hardly challenge Chelsea for anything this season.
hi arsenal im a chelsea fan nd i do think that arsenal will handle the money much better nd sign some fabulous youngsters. this could be the reason or it could be that we are trying to send a statement that we dont pay however much a team wants
you have paid stupid amounts for players, look at shevchenko 30m ? for a 30 year old that is past his best ???
drogba 25m ? swp 24m ? I could go on and on.
pay the money or sod off and find someone else.
"Not one penny more" sounds pretty definite to me.
If Arsenal say "no" then fine, leave Cole there to sour the dressing room. Nobody else is going to pay as much as Chelsea offered.
If he ends up at Chelsea then Arsenal will be the first club that Chelsea have beaten at transfer poker.
Is it me or do the Chelsea fans seem very illiterate?
You could also look at this in a different way. Chelsea are in no way desperate for Ashley Cole, obviously he would be a fantastic addition to their squad but almost any left back in the world would be available to them simply because of the money and success they can offer.
Obviously, they would be reluctant to provide money in the region of £25-30m for Wenger to use, however, it would mean very little to them, because they can easily outspend Arsenal in every single situation. Whats more, Arsenal have a strong budget anyway, its merely a case of Wenger unwilling to spend money .
Ekz - Chelsea do pay whatever a team wants. They overpay for everyone to ensure they get them. This whole sordid situation with Cole proves that (a) tapping up works and (b) Chelsea's fine and Coles will be justified if the transfer goes through. Another victory for the the financial bullying tactics that the Chavs employ. No-one can play them at their own game. Yes, Wenger buys the best players . Yes, we play the best football in the Prem. But fans want results and trophies and that is ultimately what Chelsea have given their fans since the Russian's arrival. By hook or by crook! Arsenal can be the best team in England for years to come but we need to improve on our squad .. we are a team steeped in History whilst Chelsea do their best to buy theirs. I sincerely hope Abrahmovich leaves the club debt ridden and high and dry.
Or it could be that abramovich is bored with chelsea & spending large chunks of money. I think reality is about to bite. Cole is not going to chelsea because when the russians come back on the last transfer day begging to have him wenger will just laugh & tell them to f**k off. Mourinho talks alot but the reality is he has no confidence in wayne bridge as proved last season when he even preferred the hapless Del Horno. Chelsea are desperate & anyone listening to mourinho would have heard those words "the deal is not dead unless we sign another left back" roughly translated as we will up our offer in a week or so. Arsenal dont need the money & cole's wages are already accounted for so arsenal hold all the cards. Chelski at last face the ultimate humiliation of not being able to bully a club.
Next summer cole will be off to madrid, arsenal will only get about 8-10 million but it will be worth it.
I agree. If they don't fork out, then play Cole. He is a professional (well - sort of) and I don't see him going on strike. As much as the fans will be annoyed, and rightfully so, I think that he isn't going to be this massive liability...Sure the book will come out, or will it?
Regarding Reyes, this one looks like it will happen most definitely. I think that Marseille would be more than willing to fork him out to us rather than Lyon and I think that Ribery would probably rather come here as well. But then again, Wenger may not want him.....
Rios you get hold of these facts;
Veron £16 million
Mutu £17 million
Crespo £16 million
SWP £23
Drogba £23 million
Now if you you would care to tell me how you value Ashley at the same price as 2 players Mutu and Veron who you effectively gave away for free you are a bigger cunt than u sound.By the way Arsene knows.
More likely, they're just enjoying playing with us. After all they have succeeded in destabilising Cole. Now whether he goes to them or stays with us they inflict damage. If Cole had any foresight he'd be worried. He's leaving a close-knit club to go to a bunch of heartless sharks. Not for the first time they don't seem to care how he feels...if they did they would buy him and remove him from his state of alienation.
Perhaps Just for once in the unsavoury world of football finance and Chelsea’s Belligerent disregard for the rules, someone is saying, bugger it we will have compensation for the upset and unrest your illegal actions have caused, Maybe also Mr Cole has to be taught that despite his histrionics a contract is a contract, Mr Wenger is known for honouring his, why shouldn’t he demand the same from other contracted club employees, even if they wear the fancy title of footballer, Whether this compensation is monetary or disciplinary IE, Cole staying put until the board determines otherwise, is as it should be the decision of arsenal. Good luck to them, its time someone stood up to the posturings of the Russian money man’s poodles
GIDZA, as a black man i take offence to the derrogatory language and use of the "N" word in your referral to Cashley Cole I for one do not like the brother but don't condole the racist remark.If you are black then shame on you but if you are white .....boy i would like to smash your PIG skinned face in.
Did you notice the timing of chelski's statement regarding the transfer negotiations. I wonder if it was designed to stop people looking at their pre season results, a 1-0 defeat to the MLS All Stars, a very narrow victory over feyernoord when kalou should have been straight red carded for a diabolical challenge & then a pathetic 1-1 home draw against celtic (& incidentally wayne bridge was partly responsible for the goal conceded). Last summer chelski would have beaten all those teams, maybe things are not as good as they would have everyone believe.
Arse n Wanker don't need the money !! ha ha ha What about Cash Burden Grave!
If they can't pay whant we want as the Gunners they had better fuck off cause we know they have the money.They either pay or keep the fuck off our player period.
Does this site condone the racist abuse of posters like GIDZA whose vile post is on this page?
I thought the days when even the thickest louts called black players n-----s were long gone.
This site shames Arsenal.
Money vs Class, Class will win everytime. Jose and Chelsea are trying so hard for an identity.
Good point Dean. It's probably why those Chelsea fans are in here anyway - they probably can't read what their own webblogs have written do to the illiteracy...
Get Cole out asap, if he was a true gooner he would come out and say he loved the club, didnt want to go. But he hasnt. He's a greedy little pr!ck that doesnt deserve to wear the arsenal shirt. COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!COLE OUT!! COLE OUT!!
I thought it was your player who wanted to leave and who approached them, why blaming Chelski. I for one is sick that they have so much dosh but hey that part of their luck anyway they are still well par below Barcelona.
I agree - who is Gidza and what is his post doing on here??
Cunt.
Re: Ash, I'd rather sell him to Real as part of the Reyes deal (similar to what we got off Barca for Overmars & Petit?) Anyone but chelsea, in fact. See how he likes being booed & abused by spanish fans as ignorant as Gidza week in, week out.
GIDZA is Zimbabwean for "Gilbert" , so he is an African happy to call others "N". Disgraceful.
This is a football forum, for football fans, not dumb-asses like Gidza.
A good old spurs fan has arrived! With a very un-intelligent comment. Had he/she/it cared to read any detail on the Emirates stadium he/she/it will know that it will in a few years put us as one of the top 3 earning clubs in the world. The debt is all secured and being paid off...
Spurs fans really are sad. They still think their club is big too.....ahhhh bless...
It seems silly that chelsea should feel in any way pressured to spend money on a player they do not need and could easily buy a whole bundle of young unproven players for the same price who might come good and have change left over to replace crespo.
Chelsea dont actually need Cole, they could have anyone - but Mourinho knows he has to make it personal by taking one of his rivals best players. He has won 2 titles, but he knows (so does everyone else in the world) that his acheivements are somewhat....hollow.
Come on... If my mum was given £250million (plus unlimited players wages) she could also win the title.
How is the pressure on chelsea????
You have a player that does not want to play for you. We have a left back already. We can wait till is contract is up! This is your only oportunity to make some money for him. I think it will be hilarious if it falls through, having a player with a face like a smacked arse playing for you will be briliant.
Feeder club!
Its simple really. Chelsea wont cough up because they know Arsenal would be able to buy at least another team for £25 mill.
Chelsea started all this business about paying over the odds for players, you only have to look at SWP. He was outrageously priced because Arsenal wanted him at the time.
So Maureen this isnt all about money; its about Arsenal and the thought of you giving them £25 mill to really build a team for the future. Because Arsene know's and your just a greaseball from Portugal that doesnt have the ability to build for the future and has to have it all know. How long before you and the money launderer do a runner. Bet's anyone?
Why aren't Chelsea forking out? Well, because Cole isn't very good for a start. He's a midget who can't head a ball. Better in attack than defence, but not as good as Lahm going forward and not as good as Zambrotta, Chivu or Grosso defensively, all of whom can play left back.
Not as good as Bridge going forward or Gallas defensively either, come to that. I'm surprised any bid has been made at all.
Real Madrid may have paid big money for Ramos at full back, but there's no premium for English players in Spain. Half-price more like if they bid at all. If they wanted a left back at all they could've gone for Pernia when he left Getafe for peanuts before the World Cup, but they didn't bother.
Pernia's another better left back than Cole.
I think the original statement is correct. Arsenal seem to find potential young players at the right price and chelsea are well aware of our budget contraints. Do you think we can get a better left-back player than Ashely? the good thing about cole is he'll play regardless of off-field problems....the question is though if chelsea dont buy him, will he re-new his contract at Arsenal.....because arsenal wont let him go for free.....
If we don't sell Cole and he continous to bitch and moan, then stick his ass in the reserves and don't play him once, but make him see out his contract. Then we'll see how he likes it when there are no more caps or celebrity photo oppertunities for him and his wife, then at 27 he can fuck off to whoever he wants. Although I hardly think he'll earn £80,000 a week by then.
the over paying money no object team that is chelsea playing hardball with a club like arsenal make me laugh, we have a history of getting the maximum money for our players anelka,overmars,petit,pv4, etc we will not bow to chelseas demands and give away one of the worlds premier full backs to them,if we do it will be on our terms,i,e gallas in part ex or a straight 30 million plus, which wenger will spend on more youth so that in future we can put them to the sword, is jose scared of wenger? abso fuckin lutley
Sorry Dean, but you are either illiterate or not, you can't be "very illiterate". Twat. As for the Chelsea situation, I believe tht they will end up giving in to us, or he will go elsewhere, I would be gutted if we gave into them, and as a matter of principle I don't think that either Wenger or Dein, ever would. Cock-end Cole must be shi**ing his pants. We don't need the money, we've got money available if and when we find a suitable player. Wenger is notoriously cautious and even with the financial situation at Arsenal being vastly improved, I still wouldn't expect much change in his transfer policy. To be fair, he hasn't done badly sp far, has he!!!!!! Arsene is number 1. Long live the king.
Paul - plastic chelski fan - enjoy it while it lasts. You chelsea fans are so blinkered you really don't see whats happening to your club.
Are chelsea self sufficient? Answer: no. Until they are you should be worried about when Roman gets bored and pulls his money out. Which he will. He has no ties to chelsea, he doesn't really care. It's just another toy for him, same as his yachts are.
The last set of accounts showed that he paid for the entire wage bill of £107m or something like that! So when he stops doing that, who will pay it? It won't be the clubs revenue, with a stadium like that. Even if you build a new one, which isn't looking like anytime soon. You wouldn't see the benefit of that increased revenue for about 10 years or so from now. By which time, you can bet Roman will be long gone...and do chelsea have the fan base to fill a bigger stadium anyway when you could fill the bridge for champs league matches?
Like I say enjoy it while it lasts. Perhaps you should hang onto to the money you want to pay for cole after all....you may need it in a few years! haha
cole has 2 years left on his contract he is in no position to make demands he just wants to get out of town before his book is published and he gets 60,000 gooners screaming for his blood every other week.
Money has never stopped the Russian mafia man to buy any player. This is just a matter of unsettling Arsenal.
When CFC come shopping clubs stick a 10-15m premium on their asking price - who can blame them? If i was selling my car and could get 10k for it instead of 5 why wouldnt I? (Caveat emptor).
Jose will tell the club who he wants (maybe Roman has been more involved this year, maybe not noone knows for sure) and they negotiate a deal - same as most clubs.
In this case its obvious, to me, that CFC wants AC & that AC wants to leave. However I think that CFC's postion is stronger in this case due to
1 - I dont think he is as key to CFC's plans for the season as other players are/were.
2 - He is inthe middle of a very public spat with his club - making it difficult for him to remain an Arsenal player.
3 - Other interested parties havent materialised.
all of which means the club probably feels that instead of paying 10-15m over the odds for him they will only have to pay 4-5m extra - so they are playing hard ball.
Its all very boring now & the sooner its wrapped up the better for both our clubs - good luck for the forthcoming season!
Arsenal should not do business with the chavs unless they meet our price of minimum £25mill. they have paid over the odds for all their recent aquisitions
swp 23m
mikel 18m (never played for any major team)
drogba 24m
shevchenko 30 years old 30m
carrick was sold for 18m to man u cos he was ENGLISH.
cole is the best left back in the world vastly a superior player in his position then most of the above mentioned in their respective positions.
they want to insult us by paying us a pittance.
i say let cashley cole stay at Arsenal for this year whilst traore is brought thru. we can sell him for 10m next year. the 6m we would lose would be worth it.
chelshit go take a running jump into a fuking BOGPIT.
Arsenal board should stand firm and not be insulted in this way.
I really can't see Cole staying with us. If only for the reason that his book is still due to come out soon totally slating us over the tapping up affair et al.
I say sell him and Jose to Real, take Baptista and cash and then maybe get Ribery as well.
The reason Cole's absence cost us in the league last year was down to everyone else being injured. At the moment we got Clichy, Hoyte and Traore.
After the Zagreb game I'm feeling surprisingly upbeat about this season. Still don't think we'll win the league, but 2nd is still more than possible. And with a good CL run we'll all be happy!!!
Can you imagine Cole in the reserves?
Earning 60 grand a week and not even having to play. Lording it up west every night, getting his face in the papers every day. All on 60 biguns paid for nothing, rubbing it in your face.
That's a quid for every seat in the Emirates stadium. But he gets paid every week, so it'll be £2 for every home game. More when you think about it because there's the summer too.
Thanks for the amusement this forum has offered me for the last 10 minutes. I guess it's easier to slag Chelsea off than up your own team. I wonder what the Gooners targets are this season. Perhaps to try and scrape 4th place in the League, maybe a god run in the League Cup. Quarter finals of the FA Cup and maybe just to get out the Qualifying Group of the Champions League. For your sake Let's hope Henri stays injury free.
PS Which was the first club to be fined for poaching a teenage player? (The player concerned plays for Liverpool now)
PPS Which club were the first to sack a manager for taking a bung?
PPS I know this is history, but it's what you guys go on about all the time. Class, don't make me laugh - Ha Ha Ha, Oh you did :)
Pol Pot, that was fantastic. It makes me laugh that Chelsea fans havebthe audacity to dream that they are one of the top clubs. The are one of the top teams, but not one of the top clubs; without Roman, they are a second tier English club, third tier European. No team can run at a £90m pre-tax loss and believe that they are a big club. All the players that are at Chelsea are there for the Roubles. Look at Arsenal, sold-out every game, without fail, and will do the same, without doubt at our beautiful, new 60,000 seater stadium. Chelsea can't even fill their mix and match 42,000 seater pit(have you seen the state of the stands, the look like the're randomly plonked willy-nilly). Arsenal, with this new stadium are one of the big boys, but now it's on the world stage. Us envious? Not of Chelsea, not of anyone. Look at us, what more could we want?!!!
Consider the chain of events.
AW comes out with a statement that the situation must be resolved by the end of the week, either way.
Maureen then tries a lame attempt to regain the inniative by coming out with a statement saying that chelsea have made their offer, and Arsenal must respond by the end of the week.
Henry comes out with a statement that arsenal should not sell cashley hole to a rival (contrary to general opinion, I think this was done with the full knowledge and consent of Arsenal to help up the ante).
Wednesday evening (NOT the end of the week), chelsea starts to show signs of panic and frustration by making their latest "statement".
Guess who is blinking!
Arsenal don't have to, and didn't particularly want to sell cashley.
The main parties who want this move are cashley and chelsea.
Arsenal can sit and smile.
I look forward to watching cashley squirm like the little turd that he is when he sees his situation headed for the toilet.
chelsea either cough up and maybe include Gallas in the deal, or they can go and swivel.
They hold no cards in this deal, only a wallet and maybe a player at best.
I think Chelski's last minute reaction has something to do with AW last week reaction over Cole issue.
First, he decided to include the player's name in the CL qualifier squad; then a day or two later, he decided to leave him out of the squad. This shows that AW is desperate to make money in Ashley Cole transfer. Anyone can see why Chelski walked away from Cole saga.
I am sure Chelski still want Cole over Bridge, but they just don't want to help a rival club to make money out of them in order to improve their own squad.
look at the chelsea fan talking about targets before the russian mafia came into town and bought your titles for you what was your target? a good league cup run? a spot in the eufa cup? beating west ham in the league? you are paper champions and we all know it every football fan in the world knows it, you are the british juventus buying titles and ruining our game shame on you
Cole will not play for you!!
So, a little money can get him!!
Please hurry!!!
"I dont think he is as key to CFC's plans for the season as other players are/were".
CFC are you a deluded moron or something? why have the chavs paid 8m for bridge and 13 mill for the horrendous del horno? both those players are not in the same class as cole.
the chavs have a left back problem thats why gallas plays there and now hes so fed up hes going to strike.
Arsenal are in a stronger position cos we have him for 2 years. we have the excellent armand traore and clichy the cole clone coming through. we keep cole for one year and sell him for 10m next year to real madrid by that time traore will be ready to be the new Arsenal left back.
we dont need the money u silly chav muppets but the chavs need a LEFT BACK there are no others in the market as good as cole. the only other left back worth having is zambrotta and hes at barca.
dream on with your we dont have a left back problem!!!
you PLASTIC CHAVS make me laugh.
the pop tart marrying prick cashley cole should leave at wenger's propossed price of btwn 25-30mill what drives the pepper up mourinho's ass is that he knows arsene can get 4 world class players with that amount! and he's not ready to loose the only leverage he has over arsenal ie a deep line to get into when need arises. On Reyes let the little prick go back home and we should get Baptista in return as part of the deal, he's a talented rhino and wenger would find a useful place for him as he always does. What the hell are Scum fans doing on our blog site? Maybe the muck they threw up on their site isn't cleaned up yet..................
Reading the posts it seems to me that whether you think it's Arsenal or Chelsea who are being the clever ones in this really depends on whether you are an Arsenal or Chelsea fan.
I personally think that Cole's an arsehole and he and Chelsea deserve each other,
Chelski believe they can call the shots with everything they do. They seem to think no matter what they will get what they want. Whether is by throwing money about to make sure they get the player, be that transfer fees or wages. Now it seems Jose's arrogant attitude is also being used to try and get a player cheaper than asking price. There is a way to conduct transfer negotiations and making statement on a website or the manager attempting to play poker isnt it. They seem to be taking the Madrid way - disrupt the player and use the media as a negotiation tool. Reeks of no class if you ask me.
Blue Steve, I guess you cannot believe your luck, I guy comes with stolen money and starts spending it in your club. But don’t forget that you absolutely depend on him. And I do not think he made Chelsea any bigger, just dirtier and more disliked.
Chelsea have no class, no history and a wankbag of a manager
I hate Chelski
If anybody listened to Jose Moroonioho last night he seemed to be saying (despite what the pressed picked up) that Gallas could be available to Arsenal (certainly he didn't empatically rule it out as is his normal style). Whether Arsene is interested or not is another story.
Blue Steve,
May I ask what your targets are for the season???
Winning the league? Well of course, tho you're expected to win the league what with all the billions of pounds you've spent on your aging players. Anything other than that and your team will be deamed a failure.
Champs League? Well of course, tho you've not done too well over the last few years
Placating a Russian moneyman thats seems to me is getting slightly bored by one of his "little toys"? of course, tho he'll not be around forever and when he leaves your club will sink into non-existance. What's the FA penalty these days for clubs that go into administration???
They paid 30 million for a 30 year old man and ready for pension and dont want to pay 25 million for a 25 years old player how can give them 7 years of football fuck off chelsea
Blue Steve - take a look at my earlier comment. Your club won't be around in 10 years. You'll be another Leeds. Millions worth of debt when Roman gets bored. You haven't the brains to think about that though eh...ahh bless!
Carrick for £18.6m, Rooney for £28m and cole s only worth £16m? Cole should think very carefully about joining Chelsea as in about 5 years time when Roman has got bored and you have old players on big contracts you will be a sinking ship and playing against Aldershot..
Arsenal.. Improving young players with World Cup experience.. Brand new world class Stadium.. Great Manager.. Financially dependant..
Here's a good one for you glory hunting Chelsea boys..
Who are the 3 targets Chelsea missed out on this summer?
History, Class and Dignity
Chelsea were days away from administration before Roman saved them, when he leaves or is arrested, they'll be in administration there and then.
Gerry Martin made a great point, on Sky Sports News last night Jose did not even begin to rule out the possibility of Gallas being used in the deal. Usually he is absolutely emphatic, but this reaction demonstrates 2 things: 1) Gallas is up for the move and 2) Jose is desperate to land Cole. Why else would he give a world-class defender to us. Before anyone says it, Ashley Cole is world class at Arsenal, under the guidance of Arsene, he won't look anything like that player elsewhere......guaranteed.
I say let Cole rot in the reserves if Arsenal want to make a point. But money is everything in the modern soccer world.
So sadly Arsenal have to face reality.
But we could beat Chelski at poker.
Even in articles appearing in the financial newspapers about Roman, they start by saying "Roman Abramovich, billionaire owner of Chelsea Football Club...."
So Chelsea give him what he wants, a high profile to go with the yachts. He's not going anywhere anytime soon especially as he's a football fanatic. Could any of you Gooners just turn round and say "I'm bored, I'm off". No of course not and neither can the Russian.
Him leaving Chelsea is all you can hope for in the short term so you have to go on and on and on and on about "building for the future"
Suckers. Roman will just keep buying the future in the shape of finished articles (Ballack & Sheva). Doesn't matter if he only gets 2 years out of them. If they don't work out, we'll sell them to Newcastle on the cheap and get another 2.
Sickening and immoral isn't it ?
If another Russian of similar financial stature arrived on the scene and wanted to buy Arsenal, he'd be turned away wouldn't he ? All the fans would insist that he didn't buy the club so that Arsenal could carry on building for the future wouldn't they ?
Yeah right !!! Losers. You've had a great time over the past several seasons, but your time is up....and you know it.
Chealsea fans are just like new-rich people. They think the own the world and that everything is up for grabs. Maybe you should look to the clubs that built English football and made it what it is today. Clubs like Man Utd. Liverpool and Arsenal. No matter what I feel about these clubs, I respect both Liverpool and Man utd. more than I ever will respect Chealsea. You have not earned anything that has happened to you, all the titles that you've collected in the last years were bought with blood money. Last but not least, next time Chealsea buys another over-the-hill player for +£30m, think of those children and families that starve to death or freeze to death in Russia, because those are the people that in reality pay for your titles.
ere's a good one for you glory hunting Chelsea boys..
Who are the 3 targets Chelsea missed out on this summer?
History, Class and Dignity
HERES ONE FOR YOU BONI
DELUDED GONNER!
EVERY CHELSEA FAN THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS BLOG ARE TALKING OUT OF THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!!!!! How the fuck can you pay £30m for a 30 year old, £17+ for an unproven nigerian whizkid, £19million for a crap centre back (carvalho) and tell me you dont pay what teams demand. Give us gallas and £16m and we'll call it quits or cough up and pay what is arguable a very good price for a player that is best in his position. you should be payin £30m. And ashley cole is a daft prick cant he see chelsea dont value him much. Fuck sake they paid more for shaun wright phillips.
Blues get real. Ashley open your fuckin eyes will you!!!!
Regardless of the Cole situation, Reyes looks as if he is on his way to Madrid (whick actually makes a mockery of the statements recently given by Reyes on the official AFC web site)and we definitely need reinforcements pronto before the deadline to avoid problems caused by bans/injuries later in the season.Also,I would have thought that promises were made to Henri before he signed his contract extension that the team would be made stronger this season and we cannot afford to piss him off otherwise thre rumours about him leaving will start up again. I know that the team performed very well against Zagreb but it will be a different matter against Premiership sides in away matches when we know that the heavy physical approach (as used by Allardyce/Ferguson/Hughes)will unfortunately bring the same results as last year!!! GK,CB,LB and CM need strenthening now with experienced players if we are to avoid another frustrating domestic season!!
NonGooner,
Stop being a fucking idiot!!!
The main difference between the Russian and Chel$ki and us and Arsenal is that most of us have supported the Gooners all our lives. Whereas the Russian was deciding to spend some of his dirty cash one day, stuck a pin in a map and bought Chel$ki.
If a corrupt oil magnate wanted to pump endless amounts of cash into Arsenal I wouldn't have a problem. I'd just hope and pray that someone with a little more brains than me would make it so that we were self sufficient if he decided he was bored and left. That's not happened with Chel$ki has it???
Sad twats. The reality is that you do need the money, because you need to build a squad which is wafer thin, and you can't afford not to qualify for the Champions League.
Personally, I'd love it if we didn't buy Cole, leave him to rot at Cashburden and not give you any money.
We won the league the last 2 years without him, and he's not the only decent left back in the world.
And as for your History???? - HA HA HA HA, don't make me laugh - corrupt MF's.
Nongooner - Im sure every Arsenal fan would have the club run by 4 or 5 multi millionnaires rather than one billionnaire. The old saying of don't put all your eggs in one basket rings true here. Also - Arsenal are run by a board that are Arsenal fans, not some plastic russian gangster that only got the billions he has through loop holes in russian law and did immoral things to those poor russians who lost so much because of him. Quite frankly, Roman is a c#*t...
FACT is Chelsea were days away from administration before Roman came along.
You're right he won't walk away anytime soon. But perhaps in 4-5 yars time he will. Then what? Do you think you'll be self sufficient by then? Do you think you'll be able to keep paying ridiculous amounts for players? will you be able to keep spending the same amout on wages? Your revenue is millions and millions below what is needed to be self sufficient - the only way you can rectify that is by having a bigger stadium and that won't happen within 4-5 years.
Kenyon is a mecenary who doesn't care about Chelsea's survival. He's after making a quick million here and there....When Roman's done laundering his money, he might as well turn the lights out there and then, cos you won't even be able to afford the electricity bill!
It show's that your plastic because you don't about the situation your club is in.....mug!
I agree, Jose the Joke would.ve paid by now had we been a small club from Estonia, scaredy cat.
So , there is no pressure on The Arse****s to sell Cole ? We don,t need the money , oh really what a load of bollocks ! Keep Cole if you value him that much , he doesn,t want to play for you , you lot don,t want him there you would rather have the money , after all you are in massive debt . Let him rot in the reserves for a year or so and he will walk for nothing and that is exactly what your penny pinching , spiteful club deserve . Reyes will be gone now soon as well . The phrase "Rats leaving the sinking ship " 2 comes to mind !
GoonFarknuts...what a pr1ck. Corrupt? Take a look at your owner you mug!
Blinkered as ever. Emirates might be a financial burden, but it's being manager. You don't see your financial burden of being owned by Roman. When he f*cks off you'll be no more...
It's funny how none of the chavs have actually answered the question of are you self sufficient and will you be before Roman gets bored.....? WHat plans do you have in place for that???
None.....hahahahaha
Your'e skint and you need our money...
we should let Cole go is unsettling the club
So amusing to read all your comments, has lifted my spirits ahead of the new season, I so love the bile and bitterness that always flows from yourselves . Hopefuly we don't get Cole, you're left with a player that doesn't want to be at your club, a player that few clubs can afford, a player with a substantial chip on both shoulders. Pay his wages (that you've already accounted for) and put him in the reserves, let him rot... oh and you've paid for them via structured debt (and restructured debt).. don't think you figured on him not being a part of the team though?
Now he's a good player and I don't dispute that but I hope that he and Arsenal will be the first to be shown that the free for all is over. On the other hand let's just pay £30m quid and chuck in an extra £5m for goodwill, maybe this will make up for some of the empty seats in your new stadium. You struggled to make a noise in the old one, christ it's going to be woeful in this one. In closing, keep up the good work chaps, you can always be relied upon to provide the totally blinkered, spoilt and 'hunt in packs' mentality that we find so amusing. Carefree & totally minted!!!
Eugene - take a look at your clubs accounts when they are published and tell me how much profit you made.....d!ck...
Quick McFactlet:
Gallas is worth 2x Cashleys
As anyone knows.
Wenger's got it sorted, think about it, If chelsea aren't willing to pay the money for cole, it will show to cole that chelsea didn't value him as much as Arsenal do, hence seen as we show him more value, that's where he should stay. (they paid 21m for someone to sit mostly on the bench last season SWP, who i suspect will be an arsenal boy someday seen as his PAP is Mr Arsenal).
But in saying that, we are talking about thick arse cuntley tho! If, he doesn't sort his cry baby actions out fast it looks like he'll be joining stan collymore with on the platstaion.
Sir Cecil, arsenal is the most ethnically supported team in the country, so to suggest one comment, from one cunt shame's arsenal, then you better get back to your traffic warden paper shuffling job at the council!
I hope DD cuts a deal with Real Madrid for both Reyes (18m pd) and Cole (18m pd). We don't need a player who has not adjusted to life in London and another who is a 2-timer.
PolPot
Don't know about your history then? Go read about it mug.
Blinkered?
Not at all. If, and it's a big if, Roman did leave, what is to say he would leave us in a worse state than when he arrived?
We have new training ground, magnificent squad, great infrastructure, if the worst did happen we'd sell a few players and that would be it.
How you gonna pay for Cashburden when you finish mid-table? Think we're a little more stable than you!
You're just living in dreamland mate.
Zola - you can't even fill the sh!t hole that is the bridge for champs league games! haha...
Answer the question - are Chelsea making money or losing money on your clubs accounts....?
Roman has owned football teams before, he's owned ice hockey teams before - fact is, he left them once he was bored.....oh dear!
SURE ARSENAL IS MAKING HISTORY BY HAVING PRATICALLY NON ENGLISH PLAYERS IN THE TEAM!! HOORAY FOR WENGER!!!!! FRENCH TWAT!!!!
We will never give you Gallas, you can stick Cole where the sun dont shine!
Yes we have spent big on players, but that time is over, and we certainly aint helping you out of your Ashburden Grave debts!
Back to back Champions about to be a hat trick - God willing? Oh yes we bought them alright, just like you, Liverpool and the Scum did over the last 25 years. Sorry ya bitter and twisted Gooners, there's a new and biggre fish in the pool now, your time is up!!
C'mon Spurs you can get into the CL next year!
It was the manager that took the bung not the club you d!ck....
What infrastructure? Answer the question: are Chelsea self sufficient?
"Even in articles appearing in the financial newspapers about Roman, they start by saying "Roman Abramovich, billionaire owner of Chelsea Football Club...."
I wonder if thats because he is the owner............Moron!!! Do you honestly believe Abramovich can even read an english paper???
Abramovich is getting bored now & as soon as he manages to buy the uefa cl he will be off & chelski fans will disappear. It will be back to the good old days at the bridge when it was one man & his dog!!
Lets see what chelski's aims for the season are.....NO 1= Lets but the premiership, No2= Lets buy the cl, No3= Lets buy the fa cup & No4= Lets buy the league cup.
Chelsea & History not words you often see together but in a year or so we will all be seeing the words "Abramovich walked & now chelski are history". Maybe Ken Bates will be able to buy them back for another £5.
"ekz
8/10/2006 11:29:55 AM
hi arsenal im a chelsea fan nd i do think that arsenal will handle the money much better nd sign some fabulous youngsters. this could be the reason or it could be that we are trying to send a statement that we dont pay however much a team wants"
Wow it took you gus 3 yrs to come up with the courage to say no, if u were a women u would have been repeatedly raped before realising it and trying to stop it
The chealski bords and blogs must be so empty and boring considering the amount of Chealsea cunts that are here. Now fuck off back home, we are not the least impressed by your money or your team. In a few years you'll be ruined and the biggest joke in the history of modern football, so there is really no reason for us to waste our time answering your moronic statements.
Pol Pot, even the most optimistic Gooner shouldnt pin their entire well-being in life on the remote chance RA is going to be arrested soon/get bored of being the high profile owner of a high profile football club. His behaviour up to now suggests nothing of the kind. Arsenals [and others] tasks are to deal with the problem and beat them on the field of play despite the financial imbalance. Man Utd fans deal with it, so should you..
By the way which football team did RA already get bored of and sell? Or was that artistic licence..
PolPot
We are not self sufficient no, of course not, we have no need to be at present.
However, plans are in place to "break even" by the end of this decade. Whether this is achieved or not is another matter. If not, and Roman left then we would have the memories if nothing else, and we would go back to being old Chelsea, unpredictable but proud. Never be smug tossers like you bunch of twats.
Sir Henry Norris anyone?
Lets see what chelski's aims for the season are.....NO 1= Lets but the premiership, No2= Lets buy the cl, No3= Lets buy the fa cup & No4= Lets buy the league cup.
Oh and let's not buy Ashley Cole...
You sad mugs, things have moved on... without you!
Why do you call us Chelski? If its because of the russian connection then Chelskov is russian and chelski is polish you thick bunch of has beens!
ONE NAME ONE STADIUM FOR LIFE...HEH wENGER LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE WANKER!
No wonder the yids are on here backing up chelski, after all they need all the friends they can get & lets face it only last summer they bent over for chelski & took it up the Arnesen.
Yids= Chelski whipping boys
Even Duff didnt want to join the losers from the lane. He preferred to take a pay cut up at newcastle than join a team that S**t themselves (literally) the moment they have a big match & then try to blame everyone else.
Goonfarknuts - if we're so smug and you don't like it - why are you in here you c*nt...pathetic. Like I say enjoy it while it lasts.
Pravda - Roman part owned one of the eastern european teams. Look it up. As for pinning my hopes on it? Im not, Im merely trying to point it out to the blinkered plastic chelsea fans that they aren't so stable financially, despite harping on about us being in debt or whatever...the debt for Emirates is all tied up and Wenger is building another team.
Fact remains - this whole scenario come out of a greedy player...it doesn't matter whether we sell him or not. It won't weaken us.
Hypo - you must be the thickest jerk on here!!
You do not get it moron do you?
Chelsea are here to stay with or without Roman. Your time has been and gone, culminating in your 'glorious defeat' to Barca minus Messi.
I am expecting a greater challenge from Scum USA and Skouse thieves than the Voyeur's reds this term. You have Henry and a few kids, and the overrated Fabregas - wait and see.
You can keep Cole, a lot of us do not want him at our club, theres better and cheaper alternatives.
It will be fantastic to see you smug 'fans' get shot down by Spurs this season -0 please god let it happen!!
All I know is that Chelsea (Roman) money is blood money. If the thought of millions of people suferring a very poor life in order to secure the signature of Shevchenko sits well with you Chelsea fans, then good for you.
That alone tells me all I need to know about Chelsea and their plastic fans. Respect to the ones that were around before Roman though (as long as you keep your eyes open to the reality of the situation!).
Hey ppl we will have Cole for another season but reyes off and i m not black but who ever is racist fuck him it is the last thing that aresenal need
fuck the racista n Spurs:D
No idea why people seem to think Abramovich would just "fuck off" in a few years. Why would he? He has already stated he would never leave Chelsea. It is what's known as wishful thinking and just hoping he will just piss off. Anyone can make judgements on what will happen in a few times.
So Mikey, you can sit there, hand on heart and say that you wouldn't have wanted the same situation. Put aside your Arsenal bitterness for one moment and give me an honest answer. Surprise me..
Blueblood...didn't Blackburn invest a load of money a few years back to win the title. YOu'll be mid table or non-existant in a few years.
You're so thick to realise that without being self sufficient you have very little future.....
If you can't answer that logically then you really shouldn't bother....
you can keep winning titles for the next 10 years and you won't have as many in the cabinet as Liverpool, Man U and arsenal.....ahhhhh poor chelsea - no history.
years not times*
Pol Pot...
name them. You are the person that started that sentence with "fact is..."
Was it a fact? If not, you really shouldn't dress it up as you will likely be challenged.
Opinions are two a penny..and that is a fact
This Whole thread reaks of bitterness.
Your all on your lets bash Chelsea thread but hold on ....look a bit closer to home.When Ashley does go (not to us hopefully) lets say real madrid for 6m. YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH PLAYER TO CALL YOUR OWN.
Shame on YOU Arsenal
" have you ever seen Chelsea win the league " you used to love that one didn't you ?
Here comes the 3rd and all in a row
Enjoy your season
"BluebloodisaC0ck 8/10/2006 01:48:11 PM
Blueblood...didn't Blackburn invest a load of money a few years back to win the title. YOu'll be mid table or non-existant in a few years.
You're so thick to realise that without being self sufficient you have very little future.....
If you can't answer that logically then you really shouldn't bother....
you can keep winning titles for the next 10 years and you won't have as many in the cabinet as Liverpool, Man U and arsenal.....ahhhhh poor chelsea - no history."
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Blackburn did yes!! Arsenal have too, as have Utd and Liverpool when they had the biggest financial clout.
We will be self sufficient - why doi you think we have been in the USA, a global brand we will become soon enough.
We are making and will continue to make our history, we cannot change the past, but we can have a major say in the future. You all have to learn to deal with it and find a way of countering it instead of cursing all that is Chelsea.
ps I have been going to Chelsea since the mid 60's as a kid, these are great times and we have been so lucky, but for long term fans its bloody great!
If you love your club and want them to go on long after you're dead then you wouldn't want some arrogant russian gangster billionnaire taking over. he will leave at some point, whether he pops it, gets arrested or gets bored.
The best way to run a business is with a board of directors who run things properly. Making sure the club make profit, has sufficient revenue to cover outgoings etc. I'd rather that knowing that it will secure the future of the club. than to have a billionnaire throwing his millions around for a few years for a bit of success...
Short sighted...anyway - this is boring. Plastic chelsea fans have no real intelligence. No matter how many ways you put it, they just don't get it.....glory hunters.
Mikey
your recent post was very reasonable however it is naive at best to believe that Russia would suffer less by one iota if RA had never existed or bought cheap options from his needy associate [and president at the time].
Therefore the CFC purchase of Shevchenko cannot in truth be said to be making a bad situation worse.
Lets be truthful Russia made its own bed and the only reason one reads so many football fans suddenly bleating about hardship in the former Soviet Union is not because they actually suddenly give a flying one. Is it....
I totally agree with you Kiwi..
I don't believe for one minute that Chelsea really want Cole. They just want to cause un-rest amongst the Arsenal squad. A bit of gamesmanship shall we say ! This has been proved since the tapping-up incident. I would say that Wenger is to clever to let this un-settle the team, the only person who will lose out is Cole, as he will rot in the reserves and no-body will want him. Maybe he could become mates with SWP !!!
Justin Hoyte..... ENGLISH i believe.... just for you "the chelsea view".
haha, look at this thread, it's so jam packed and entertaining, that supporters from other clubs have to come here, coz they've got nothing to talk about from their non-existent blog spots'.
There's something about creating and nuturing something yourself and making a profit out of it that gives satisfaction, rather than buying something. It's amazing how many hooraa chelsea fans have suddenly appered on the scene in the last 5 years or so.
By the way, I do think that Chelsea are scared of Wenger.
And to all the Chelsea fans coming on here, being as insulting and snide as you are being in no way equates to being right, or indeed having any valid point whatsoever.
I know that if the roles were reversed and it was one of your players being tapped up (which is what happened here regardless of what you deceive yourselves into thinking) you would be screaming 'blue' murder too.
I will assume you know the way the world works just like the rest of us do, and that makes your logic seem even more twisted and stupid.
Just because you support a club you dont have to turn a blind eye to things you KNOW are wrong.
BlueBlood - all those teams put together havent spent the money ye have in the last few years. And while spending the money they did they still had to balance the books, and all still made profits. Chelski dont play by these rules. Rules that for a business is essential. Some one said earlier that ye will BREAK EVEN by the end of the decade. Break even !! Ye have been running at a loss of about 40 or 50 million a year at last count want it. Thats just not sustainable once the russian bankrolling stops. No im not saying he will piss off but he is a money man so at some point he will look to curb the excessive spending.
Why do chelsea fans keep posting on here? are their own sites that sh!t.....nevermind....
keep the bullsh!t coming glory hunters...."i've supported them since the 60's!!"...yeh right.....
... and MIkey you prove what we have known for a long time, get over it, you are destined to have the largest empty ground in the Championship, full of sad muggy twats like yourself who all jumped on the train and are afraid to see anything appraoching competition. It's laughable and ever so amusing. There is nothing secure about Arsenal in the same way that there are no guarantees with Man Utd or Chelsea, life is unpredictable, I assume you are a 14yr old muppet who is on Daddy's pc & as yet haven't experienced life(or an away game as it's past your bedtime).
So no-one could come up with any targets or answer the simple little question and just retort with what are our targets. All this talk of blood money and millions of people suffering, where do yu get that from. Amazing facts - lol. Ever thought that once Roman goes (your words, not mine) it's his business, so he will sell it. He can't just leave it and take all his money out. I guess you guys don't have an eye for business, thats why you now have our Ex Sponsors, whom whilst they were our sponsors you no doubt slagged off for being arabs, but now there yours, everything is ok. You are nothing more than a bunch of raceless, brainless goons (Without the ers) Your History and class + hypocrisy. It's funny how Notts County never get a mention when you are talking about history, after all they have the honour of being the first proper football club, oh yeah, in answer to my previous question the ones that received substantial funds after tapping up one of their teenage plyers. It seems the Arsenal Management have always had a thing for young boys. What is that green covering over yur new stadium, oh yeah, ENVY - lol
Blueblood - dream on my friend. Chelsea cannot survive at this level withour Romans money. The wage bill is ludicrous and the transfer losses monumental. The economics just do not bear any proper relationship between income and spending. Without Romans millions it is unsustainable. Over a much longer term business plan it can be made to work but only if, at some point, transfer spending and wages are brought back into line with income and success is mantained (and Roman is prepared to write off the debts). Sensibly it will be hard to do both if you are only investing in established players towards the back end of their careers, and at top level wages and transfer prices. Sooner or later financial reality will have it's way and then you will be forced to compete on a level field (if the finances allow it !)
Arsenal have had to, and still have to, do all that they have achieved within sensible financial budgets. Not that I wouldn't be happy with a billionaire or two but over the longer stretch we should be able to maintain a very succesful team if we can keep a nucleus of genuine talent coming through the youth side. Sure that means some seasons will be less succesful than others but we will be competing and winning trophies for many years to come, have no doubt of that.
So enjoy it while you can and hope that Roman doesn't get arrested any time soon.
Quote:
"There's something about creating and nuturing something yourself and making a profit out of it that gives satisfaction, rather than buying something."
Ok lets look at Arsenal (there are examples for Liverpool and Man U too - this is not an anti Arsenal rant)
How did you create the following careers?? Purchased:
Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, Fabregas, Toure, Lehmann, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Seaman, Eboue, Rosicky, Flamini, Viera, Senderos, Kanu, Adebayor, Lunjberg, Petit, Anelka, Overmars
Feck me you bought the lot and others I cannot remember past and present. Your full of bull!!
QUOTE "bluebloodisad!ck 8/10/2006 02:04:35 PM
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keep the bullsh!t coming glory hunters...."i've supported them since the 60's!!"...yeh right....."
Wanna put yer money where yer mouth is bigboy?? Any amount you want!!
WANKER!!
OK lets get busy with this 'debate' If Ashley Cole wants to do the off - fair play - However The Arsenal don't NEED to sell the little bstad - of course any team could do with an extra £17-25m (or what ever the figure is - NO ONE KNOWS AS IT'S PAPER TALK!) in the bank - however - why would AW sell one of his prized assets to a team who don't like losing the championship - let's be realistic The Arsenal are playing catch up (any Gooner not thinking this is burying his/her head in the sand). I dont think AW is in the business of strengthing a rival - if Cole did want to go I'm sure if it was a team like Newcastle/Bolton then AW would fcuk him off, but to Chelsea - I dont think so. Put it this way would Jose Money sell one of The Bank of Chelsea's better players to us.. I very much doubt it.
I dont like seeing any Arsenal players who dont want to wear the shirt or kiss the badge but you dont cut off your nose to spite your face - simple as that. Personally I would take William Gallas + Cash for Cole - but not sure Chelsea would go for that.. do you?
Let us say Roman does fuck off in 10 years time. And Chelsea have won the title practically every year during that time and then Chelsea decline somewhat. Why would they be particularly bothered seeing as they have had their power time of dominating? Liverpool had theirs, Man United theirs, and Arsenal, well, they have never had theirs unfortunately for us. Who cares how titles are won. As long as they are won fair and square without corruption on the pitch, then it all counts. And at least Mourinho spends money, even though it is overpriced. Wenger doesn't and that is his major downfall and is one of the main reasons Arsenal have never won back-2-back titles. Rests on his laurels. And people should stop going on about Chelsea and their millions. Because it still needs a quality manager to win things even though Mourinho is a cunt he is still a quality manager. Look at how much money money Real spent in 3 years, and have not won shit. Why? Because of poor managers. And us Arsenal fans wouldn't be complaining if we had a sugar daddy. Though saying that, Wenger would be sacked for not spending it lol.
In Sweden for example all clubs are forced to atleast break-even in order to keep their place in the league, if they don't do that they lose their license and are demoted. Wonder how many PL titles Chealski will be allowed to win before FA realize that they are ruining football and enforce this rule aswell. I'm guessing next summer...
"and MIkey you prove what we have known for a long time, get over it, you are destined to have the largest empty ground in the Championship,"
hmmmm when did we get relegated. I wasnt aware we were in the Championship this year.
"full of sad muggy twats like yourself who all jumped on the train"" what train is that Zola. The we just got save from administration by a gangster who bought the league and now we have lots of sunshine supporters on a gloryhunt" train
And Blue Steve - Ever thought that once Roman goes (your words, not mine) it's his business, so he will sell it. He can't just leave it and take all his money out.
He will sell it will he. Yes theres lots of people who would spend millions to but a club that would be so much in debt and running at a loss of 50 million a year.
we may have bought all those players blueblood, but weve not spent 300 mill plus in 3 seasons like you have!
Gelbs & tomigooner - very refreshing to read what you have written, agree with you wholeheartedly.
zola, get it right.. its premiership.. can't even get that right...blue steve.. slagging off for being arab's is your words not our's, that's exactly what you probably say and blueblood... henry was a nobody, so was fabregas, so was eboue, so was viera, so was petit, that's my point geddit... we made them into stars.. we didn;t buy it fool or you to thick to understand!
No Zola, I dont want a Russian mobster as our patron. If we did get one I'd have to spend valuable time defending his shady actions like you're here doing now.
Money is not everything. Pride in what you are really matters to me. And Chelsea cannot be proud of what they've become.
Even if you win 20 titles, rather than envy you I will simply stop watching English football.
I know what its like to have one corrupt person cause millions of others to suffer for their own glory and gain, and its the one part of human nature that galls me the most. Its the worst kind of selfishness there is, and there you are revelling in it.
As I said previously, good for you.
Pravda, the CFC situation is one of many affecting the Russian economy at this time.
I come from a third-world country riddled with corruption, and where theres corruption, theres inevitably people who gain from it, and who therefore are the cause in the first place. They are the bad guys, simple as that.
Theres no room to bury ones' head in the sand here. People in this country have no idea what its like to really have it hard.
Besides, by your logic, nobody would ever be brought to book for corruption, and thats unrealistic.
This is not just football, this is life.
Peter W a good and realistic post with which I agree in the main.
However, I differ in that I know we have been lucky, - I never thought we would win the P.L. in my lifetime, we just could not buy the top players to do so. Things have changed now and while it could all end tomorrow, there's no reason to think that it will? Many CFC fans are enjoying this upswing in our fortunes and not taking it for granted, some are -that's life.
I believe R.A. will be around a while yet, and even when he goes will leave us in good shape to be a leading club if not the top club in England.
It just amuses to hear all the bitterness and the fuss over us spending money, when reality is, that all successful clubs have built their history by being rish and buying players in! The hypocrisy is just astounding!!
a player moving from Arsenal to Chavski is always going to cost more than the same player from a lower club. I dare say the same premium would be charged from man u and liverpool. they are title rivals and as such you are buying more than the player. you are depriving you rival of that player. why would arsenal want to boost chavs chances of winning the prem?
If ash stays then that is a victory for Arsenal - regardless of whether we like him or not. if he stays, he plays. Cole dare not give 100%. he is professional and could not look Henry, Toure et al in the eye afterwards if he was playing at anything less.
Deise Gooner -- Championship - prophecy.. c'mon try and keep up.
Arsenal fans are such an arrogant bunch of wankers it is no wonder they are despised the length and breadth of the country. Big mouths but never anything to back it up.You have become The Scousers of the South. Pretentious no fuck alls.
I'm so glad someone mentioned this. I don't have a blog so I can't. They're screwing arsenal because they know that cash would help us so much... and we're their main threat so they don't want to aid us in any way. There's something else you missed here mate - that we're trying to sign Ribery - and Chelsea's stalling effects that transfer. If they would have stumped up the cash that deal would be done and dusted and Reyes would be on his way. The fact that they haven't potentially robs us of a good player (now that Lyon have tabled a larger bid) and also unsettles the club as we're not sure what's happening in regards to transfers.
These tactics won't work though - Wenger is totally in tune with the new season, despite what some people wouid have you believe.
Quote: Chamingadinga 8/10/2006 02:20:05 PM
we may have bought all those players blueblood, but weve not spent 300 mill plus in 3 seasons like you have!
Maybe, but the point is you have signed all those players over a longer period, and spent hundreds of millions. No doubt there was plenty of tapping up and underhand deals to get some of them too.
Stop making out to be saintly, football is a shady business at the best of times.
chelsea fans http://fantasy.premierleague.com/ the headbutt league code...2454-30214 the only problem that chelsea fans might encounter, is that you only have 100 million to spend on 15 players.... do you think you could do it, or does the thought of only having other's people's spare change to spend fighten you off playing!
My Hat goes off to Gelbs.
I've spent years being jealous of the top teams (spurs not included) Who is going to look a gift horse in the mouth if it gives you a chance of the title, 2,3, 4 times on the trot.
blueblood - aren't you leaving soon....I think it's past your bedtime...nite nite
Blueblood in a certain respect you are right. Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal were the wealthiest clubs and were therefore the most successful over the past 20-30 years, but all 3 earnt their money through footballing achievements and earnt it over time.
What Chelsea have done is get lucky basically. If you are honest you would rather your success had been earnt the same way that the other 3 sides earnt theres through accumulating finances in order to be successful over many years.
People resent Chelsea FC because they have done very little to earn their success. Roman came along one day, bought the club and that was that - English Football changes in one day. Chelsea go from battling for a CL place to title winners. Ok it didn't happen in the first year, who expected it to? But everyone knew it would happen eventually. Where is the fun in a league where the winners are inevitable. Even if it got to January and the race was tight, we all know Chelsea can just spend another £50 mill to make things right.
We dont only resent Chelsea as Gunners, we resent Chelsea as fans of football.
Some people on here are getting football and business mixed up - football is a business but if Chelsea was a business it would be bankrupt within a year, that's a fact - no one could even begin to argue that point. OK so the Sarf London Chavs have he cash - fair play we all need to get over it. But what cracks me up is how the chelsea boys/girls/whatever are giving it the big 'un - I have a few good mates who are Chelsea (sorry Gooners) well before Roman came along but I cant believe the c*nts that are on this site. What cracks me up is how the think Ashburton Grove is going to be empty and The Arsenal will be mid table? Arsenal have consistently finished in the top 4 since AW came along - dont think that will change any time soon. But my question to all these Chelsea bods is - do you really believe that after lifting the European trophy and could pick any TOP team in Europe he wanted to go to would Jose Money gone to Chelsea if Roman hadn't shown up with his briefcase of millions? very doubtful boys.. but I aint gonna be jealous of your success or money - it just cracks me up how blinkered you lot are.
ashburton grove empty.. there were 30,000 on the season ticket waiting list.... and they could only clear 15,000 of them... and thats a fact!
BlueBlood - did i mention corruption. No? I dont care how corrupt Chelsea may be, or Arsenal either. I wasnt talking about that. Yes we have spent money, but it is money WE earnt as a club and money we spent over decades not 3 years like you did!
Will someone please change the record!!
All I've heard from you deluded, scum-bag arsenal fans over the past 3 years is "Roman'll get bored and leave you in a few years...You have no history, blah blah blah"!!
The fact is, Roman's already been here 3 years and guess what...he aint leaving anytime soon. And for those of you who reckon we'll be debt-ridden and struggling to survive, well, you're more than wrong. Even IF Roman did get bored in a couple of years time, he can't just pack his bags and head back off to Russia. He is the owner of the club and would have to find a suitable buyer who could back the club financially in the long-term
We may not be self-sufficient just yet but we're certainly taking steps in the right direction. This time next year we'll have the worlds best training facilities plus we've got some of the worlds best young talent coming through the ranks. Our transfer fees will dip in the coming couple of years once we have a balanced and settled squad full of the worlds best talent.
Oh yeah and whilst a lot of people of bringing up the 'history' subject....just who is it that's changed their team name and moved grounds since they were formed...? Certainly wasn't Chelsea! That's right it was the Woolwich Bank or whatever the f*ck you used to be called
Your just jealous, scared and bitter....the lot of ya!
Long live Roman, long live Chelsea. Up yours Arsenal....you MUPPETS!!!! ha ha ha!!!
Prophecy eh Zola - so when do you see this happening ? Id be interested to hear how you came to that conclusion - pulled from your arse no doubt. Or was it a wet dream you had.
how many branches of the chelsea building society are there? 3.. did you even know there was a chelsea building society......actually there's now 2... one's pissed off to leeds
Drunkenmunkey you are a cunt, fuick off u cunt
fuick off eh? never heard that one
Gelbs - a top post well said!
Tomigooner - A lot of what you say is right, but Gooner fans have always given it large over the last 30 years.
Football is about money these days, that's now not in dispute, but I think it always has been - only less obviously.
Dinkle - yep i agree with most of your post too, only I would take issue that the big clubs earned their money. I believe the early owners had the most money, and it followed on from there.
Amazing how now that Chelsea have the most monet, that people think the Football League should change the rules to suit the circumstances i.e. limit the losse on balance sheets etc - it's just so laughable!!
Good afternoon to you all, and good luck - it's been entertaining, we'll agree to disagree, but then that's why you are Gooners and we are CFCcarefree!!
School holidays is it??
dRuNkEn mUnKeY
You are right Roman couldn't just pack up and leave since he owns the club, but what he could do and probably will is to stop pouring money into an endless drain that is CFC. Then we'll see what happens, wages stop being payed, no more signings and no more investements then on the eve of bankruptcy he could offload the club or probably write it off as a tax deductable in Russia. Thus walking away clean but having washed all the blood money back into a glistering green.
So remind me why chelsea fans are in here again?
Jamesy? How haven't we got anything to back it up? Have we not got quite a successful history....
I don't think you have any idea what you are on about - so I very much doubt anyone else does...
Football goes in cycles - chelsea are having their turn on the back of Romans hand outs. That won't last for ever and it will be another clubs turn to dominate....
I dunno maybe Bolton?
In all fairness I wouldn't want some rich guy as shady as Abramovich being in charge of Arsenal, but someone more respected. And I wouldn't want Wenger paying well over the odds for players like Chelsea do. But money can buy you happiness and if you can afford top players then so be it with a little common sense. But it is all pretty academic in Wenger's case anyway because as I said, he probably wouldn't even spend it. Like 25 million on someone like Torres which wouldn't be a bad price of someone young and of his calibre. People say Wenger is building for the future. Only thing is, is that the future is not guaranteed. You build now in the present AND for the future. I also don't believe Man United fans shouldn't be that criticle of their side for failing to win the title in 3 years. They had their dominant years. Be the same if Arsenal won 3 titles in a row and won Europe at least once and they failed a bit. Sure I would still complain, but not as much because you can't expect a team to win shit year after year after year. You have to question, why has Arsene failed in 3 attempts to get us back-2-back titles? We came close but fell short. Because the line of success and failure is so close. But it boils down to the fact that we have never strengthened properly after winning a title. And in parts, Chelsea has nothing to do with what players Arsenal buys. There are plenty of quality players out there for a good price. I guess in parts as well, at least Chelsea spending all this money is being justified as they haven't failed title wise yet. How we would love someone like Shevchenko to partner Henry or a Ballack in midfield. Even though they are both a pair of greedy cunts. As are all footballers.
to put it straight, us arsenal fans are family, no matter what race!, economic background, etc etc. While you chelsea fans are a bunch of ex-failed estate agents , living off what should have been russian state handouts for the un-employed... nuff said
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blingblong2000 8/10/2006 02:31:54 PM
ashburton grove empty.. there were 30,000 on the season ticket waiting list.... and they could only clear 15,000 of them... and thats a fact!
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Geezer not sure what news paper you subscribe to but the season tickets for Ashburton were all taken up - there is a waiting list - a fcking long one!! - I should know I've been on it for 5 years and having a spanking brand new stadium with 30k+ more seats hasn't changed that much I now have to wait until I'm balding to get a season ticket. When you can chat some facts rather than speaking out your arse come chat to me - until then you can have that sort of chat 'down the pub' chief...
Also all you Chelsea c*nts - no one has answered me if you were a business whould you still be trading after your 1st year... no - you would be like freaking DeLorean Cars..but fcuk I dont reckon Roman is going to go anytime soon so enjoy your luck/success.. And Gooners think of another reason than WHEN Roman goes - cos we'll all gonna be fcked if the shady Russian decides to stay and lets face it - why the hell would he go back to Russia any time soon..? yeah my point exaclty..
Gelbs you are so blind!
"And people should stop going on about Chelsea and their millions. Because it still needs a quality manager to win things even though Mourinho is a cunt he is still a quality manager."
How can you say that Mourinho would still have won back-to-back titles without Chelsea having spent £200,000,000 on players? You simply cannot say how well he would have done with a normal budget. Personally I think he's done a lot better with Robben, Drogba, Duff, Makelele, Cech, Carvalho, Cole, Essien etc.
And also: "As long as they are won fair and square without corruption on the pitch, then it all counts."
WHAT THE HELL! ARE YOU SERIOUS? What is "corruption on the pitch"? By this logic, as long as players don't hide brass knuckles down their lycra and refrain from rubbing arsenic in the faces of opposing players; backstabbing, murdering and corruption can go on behind the scenes. This logic condones Moggi and all the crap he started in Italy.
Terrible, thoughtless comment!
So if I make ten billion pounds and buy out six premiership clubs and bankrupt them, as long as there's no corruption on the pitch, that is fine?
QUOTE: East at the Grove 8/10/2006 02:41:11 PM
School holidays is it??
Feck me a Gooner of few words - make yer own mind up. Illiterate or just simple??
tommi gooner... they could only clear 15,000 of them. meaning there's another 15,000 on the waiting list... with all the fans from highbury and all the extra seats, there are still people waiting... they guy told me when i went to get mine.. i was 2500 ish on the list and i was waiting 10 years
Roman has already stated his interest in Formula 1. Mark my words, this is his next venture. He isn't the sort of bloke to half commit either. All or nothing for that Mafioso.
At least I can spell Blueblood.
It's Fuck for your guide.
Like Fuck off Chav scum.
Simple isn't it??
blingblong2000 - what the hell you on about? it still means Gooners who want season tickets STILL have to wait - they were doing that Club Level malarkey but as I haven't got the deep pockets of Roman I couldn't stretch to the asking price - maybe I should tap him up... All I know is that I have a certificate - yeah I fcuking certificate which has my waiting list number on it - but I'm not Steven Hawkins and I cant into the millions.. unlike Jose Money who doesn't want to pay (alledegly) £20m for Cole but thinks nothing of paying £24m for a diving, handballing cheat like Dross-ba or £21m on SWP - yeah I know - go figure..
East at the Grove,
You can add coarse to your simple description!
Stop flirting Blueblood.
LOL - you lot are a right laarf!
Onwards and upwards!! (that's us)
Blueblood; you can add c*nt and nothing else to your description.
Now toddle off into a chelsea web forum and chat to some other plastics.
Gelbs I take your point about not building on our Prem winning teams but I for one am proud that we have punched above our weight for so long. The perceived similarity of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U etc and their spending ability is wrong. Yes all clubs spend money on way to success but even Man U at their height couldn't do what Chelsea are. AW is a miracle worker in the transfer market with a few high cost blips eg Jeffers and some expensive players who haven't lived up to the price - Wiltord, Reyes. However, he has plucked youngsters from obscurity or players not wanted elsewhere and turned them into winners. The books are always balanced, i'm not sure of the amount but AW's net spending is low. We have been outspent by Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Spurs, Boro, Newcastle and yet we have at times played the very best football I have seen and won with that football too. Where were all the other clubs to challenge Man U in their dominance? Apart from Blackburn it was us and although we didn't win it back to back we did it 3 times with style.
Thats why i'm excited by the future because there is so much potential within the team and Arsenal as a club. People can say what they want but the Grove is awesome, will be filled to the rafters and eventually be paid off our own backs. I don't moan about Chelsea or RA because they are here to stay. They have thrown down the gauntlet and we've gotta be up for it. COME ON YOU GLORIOUS GUNNERS!!
JOHN TERRY NEW ENGLAND CAPTAIN - guess we bought that too eh?
Not only are Chelsea petrified to pay us the market value for a player worth considerably more than Wright-Phillips, but they are also unwilling to let Gallas move in the opposite direction, knowing it would leave us in a stronger position on the playing and financial fronts. It shows the respect Mourinho has for Wenger - Dein has to play hardball and wait for Cole to put pressure on the blue bandits.
Correct decision in my view.
@BlueBlood
CFCCarefree ....sounds like yer a sanitary napkin salesman m8 .....
Abramovich is corrupt. But that's his income no doubt. He isn't corrupt as far as blackmailing referees etc. We as Arsenal fans would love a Ballack or a Shevchenko to partner Henry though. All money grabbing cunts though like all footballers.
A1 Gooner
Way ahead of you player I called it way back - why would AW sell to a rival?? he wouldn't - so why would Jose Money? - simple - he wouldn't - I think if Cole was really unhappy - Gooners would take Gallas and fuck off the pop tart marrying money grabbing git..!
End of the day (lovely footballer saying..) we dont NEED to sell - simple as that - it all boils down to just HOW MUCH The Bank of Chelsea want Cole - I think it's obvious they want him (who wouldn't) but they don't NEED him.. alledged £16m for an unknown - Jon Obi Wan Kenobi, £24m for Dross-ba, £21 for SWP? ONLY £17m for a proven talent and arguably one of the top 3 left backs in the world.. reckon The Bank of Chelsea are having their purse strings tightened - yeah right!
OK and that's (probably) my last post - I got some work to crack on with.. enjoy boys - it's been emotional..
Chelsea will wait until the last day of trading before coughing up for Cole, therefore leaving it too late for Le boss to delve into the transfer market.
morroman money v class , class always win Ha Ha
given that you arse wankers c........s have
won f..k all in recent years you have no money or class
Is your name really lu or did you have to abbreviate it to spell it correctly??
Getting back to the original question, the answer is no. Next!
why would Cole want to expose himself to the SHARKS.
Very very sad!!
Nii, you are talking about a man that wears white suits with shirt unbuttoned to the waist to reveal more shit gold than Ratners. Would you trust a man like that to make a sensible decision???
I think Arsene may have a little plan up his sleeve. everyone knows that wayne bridge is chelsea's weakest link so with that in mind, if we can string maureen along for another 10 days or so and then tell him to fuck off, he might have no time to buy the other quality left back he wants.
we can then work on building our relationship back up with ashley cole during the season and keep our squad strong.
ps if ribery comes in for reyes, I would be very happy with that. Reyes only plays well when the weather is warm so we have never seen many games out of him. In spain he will rule but we will be better off with someone that doesn't mind some rain and wind sometimes.
I've been looking for your negative comments for a few days now Gelbs, how've you been mate?
Bored and depressed. Thanks for asking though. Not posted many negative comments anyway.
Yeah Gelbs your mood does seem a little brighter lately :o) I guess once you have seen how the lads handle themselves in a few games its not so bad is it.
What did you think of the Zagreb game, Gelbs?
Was a good performance. But not getting carried away. Arsenal played superb last season but still got done over. Ask me the same question when we have played United in 6 weeks time lol.
I am not sure that Wenger is not willing to sell Cole, even to a rival. Wenger is suspicious of English players, wanting footballers who eat, sleep and drink football. Sol Campbell got himself in the gossip pages of newspapers and he's gone, while Cole spent much of the year organising his pop star wedding and constantly being in the news. It's a lifestyle thing and Wenger prefers young foreigners, who not only come relatively cheap but can be moulded into broccoli-eating water drinkers. While Wenger would have preferred Madrid to have come in for Cole, the player is a King's Road caricature and he will end up there: the only question is when.
Played superb at times*
Good call on Ribery - but doubt we'll get him? His agent (who else?) has already said that Scarface wants to go to Lyon and Lyon want him.. also does anyone else realise that guy has had something like 6 clubs in 5 years - that's not a very good sign..
I know one person would be happy with the Reyes out/Ribery in situ - TH14.. does anyone else lose count on how many times Va va voom scowls at the winger.. I lose count.
I love Henry as a player. But must admit, he does look like a big-headed fucker at times and arrogant with his facial expressions lol.
I feel that we should play 4-5-1 against United. They don't play against us, they just kick us up in the air. I don't see 4-5-1 as being negative when we play it, because we still attack better than most. I agree that we looked fantastic at times, and at full fitness I really think that we'll take some beating. I'd say that the main reason we haven't won back to back titles is hat we always win our titles on amazing runs, and when those runs are ended we lose it mentally for too long.
I agree in parts about 4-5-1 against United. But isn't saying much if we have to do that because we can't beat them 4-4-2 which is our primary formation. Just wanna piss all over those fuckers for once. Long time coming.
Clubs always alter their formation/tactics to nullify our qualities. Wenger doesnt like doing that as he feels if we play well then we can beat anyone. Football played the propper way. But sometimes you have to do the ugly. But in saying that 4-5-1 for us in the champs league made us a bit more solid and didnt take away the falir either.
I think if we play 451 we can really utilise Rosicky. Something tells me he would prefer to play centrally going on the other night's display as he kept cutting inside. He could be our key man in a 451.
The thought of Rosicky and Cesc supported by Gilberto in a midfield trio is mouthwatering and so creative. It could undo united.
Difference with us is that our 4-5-1 isn't defence wise but attacking. That is why most of the times like in Europe it works for us. As the wingers support Henry in the attack as do the central midfielders.
Who are going to be our wingers against United? Hleb will be if fit, but there will be no Reyes. Interesting poser for Arsene.
Lehman
Lauren/Eboue - Toure - Senderos - Clichy/Hoyte
Gilberto
Hleb - Cesc - Rosicky - Reyes
Henry
Lehmann
Eboue Toure Djourou Hoyte
Gilberto
Hleb Ljungberg Fabregas Rosicky
Henry
so what if we bought the leauge we still won it.
Pires played on the left side for years and always came inside. Having a winger that gets past full backs doesn't suit us as more often than not there is no-one in the box when crosses come in. Rosicky playing left side will mean that we don't have to alter our style to suit anyone and in that case Reyes would be surplus to requirements (or a substitute).
what is a leauge, and as you bought it, where did you get it from??
Almunia
Luzny Cygan Linigan Caesar
Jensen
Selley Hillier McGoldrick Helder
Hartson
??
I don't thimk we should dignify these peasant Chelsea fans, let them have their fun. The only reason he's with us is because their other fan is doing community service.
I wasn't impressed with Hoyte on Tuesday. I know he'splaying out of position, but he's still a full back and a professional should be able to use their weaker foot. I don't think we'll see a huge amount of him.
Roman FC 2003...give it up, that was hours ago! go back to sleep.